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Neo Gabriel
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.22 16:29:00 -
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We are waiting for a live demonstration on SISI.
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Neo Gabriel
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:13:00 -
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I don't know if he cheated or not but I'd bet that he did.
I was there with a few other people in system in SISI for the demo and I saw with my own eyes huhu's ibis flying around us in the gate while not being in local. Screenies of the event.
Before huhu came a couple of us witnessed an event where "sisi test" (name of char) warped to the gate where we were in a noob ship while not being in local. Dunno if this was a CCP char or someone else.
After all I've witnessed, I don't know what to say. 
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Neo Gabriel
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.22 17:25:00 -
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He has not been banned. He was (is) in the channel with us while huhu and Ellatan were doing their thing.
I guess he's very worried he's getting his accounts banned.
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Neo Gabriel
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:01:00 -
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With undeniable proof of concept witnessed by many people, It is only a matter of time.
CCP must ban all of those involved with using this exploit on TQ and all those who supported such a thing.
Evidence surfacing that ccp knew about these vulnerabilities for a long time and did nothing to fix the problems is very disheartening.
I hope they have the courage to admit their omission, punish those responsible for doing this and fixing the game so that further exploits are made impossible to do. I don't care if you have to hotfix this for now, but if you have to re-write the game code then so be it, its been 10 years anyway.
I hate passing by systems where I see people who are in local in hulks and mackinaws 23/7, no matter what time of day I pass through. I don't have experience in 0.0 with bot ratters but I bet it must be very annoying to be nigh-impossible to kill them. I think botting sucks and it has very degrading effect o the game.
CCP is liable for having this still happen because they never (apparently) impemented a fix to get rid of bots (like Blizz's Warden) or by even fixing exploits revealed years ago.
Sure they are all Unholy Rage on RMTers because of obvious reasons but when it comes to macros they turn a blind eye?!
Cmon guys I love this game and I hate seeing this kind of stuff happen. I hope you guys get rid of these problems and these people while you continue to improve the game for us all.
The longer you postpone doing the right thing, the harder it will be the impact when you have no choice left.
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Neo Gabriel
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.22 18:39:00 -
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Romek if you can link to KM's of his (or someone somewhere) that could prove impossibility to travel between targets in the time set then this would be another red flag.
Who knows how many times and for how long this exploit has been used? CCP needs to tell us something, even a "We're looking into it" will suffice for now.
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Neo Gabriel
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.24 01:11:00 -
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I saw it with my own eyes (through the zander on alt) when huhuhu's ibis jumped into Keberz local from HED-GP and was flying around us while not being in local (multiple intances). I also saw with my own eyes when "Sisi Test" (whoever controls that, probably ccp) showed up on HED-GP on the Keberz gate grid while only me, Stormwolke and El were in local (Storm was in grid with me and saw it too), waiting for huhu to come for the scheduled proof op.
Interestingly enough, while fraps were recording, The monkeysphere came into the chat channel for who knows what reason.
I SAW THE PROOF OF CONCEPT WITH MY OWN EYES! I am not a bot! I have never used a bot and I HATE macros! I have screen shots to prove what I saw. The screen shots in sequential order with time stamps showing DS with the ships, with local open, with the chat open is UNDENIABLE proof that this exploit works with REAL PLAYERS and for all intents and purposes could be used by anyone on TQ.
I have googled Abuser's chat from 2 years ago that identified the eve vulnerabilities and urged CCP to do something about them. Obviously these vulnerabilities have been known for at least 2 years.
If you take all of Pandemic Legion's Trolling in here with bull**** excuses and fail posts with their alts you can see the pattern of obfuscation. Why would they do this? Why not just explain this "super strategy" so everyone can reproduce it and prove they are not cheaters? It is obvious there is no such strategy. If you have ever ratted or done PVE in lowsec/nullsec you will understand the importance of spamming DS when there is a neutral/pirate in system and you would ALSO understand that when system is empty you don't use DS. No one in their right mind will rat in a belt while there are neutrals in system, and if you are in a Complex, you keep your scanner open with tabs unchecked looking for probes. It is IMPOSSIBLE to be caught in PVE if you have any clue about what you are doing.
You can catch macros in 0.0 by using logonskys and warp spheres that is true but it is also very time consuming, as any experienced macro hunter attests.
So now these PL cheaters claim these strategies work with real players. They are all lying. If you examine monkey's KB, that alone is evidence of wrong doing.
Being able to move through system while not being in local is a great advantage where they can warp to their victims who are unaware of any threats, so they are not spamming DS or warping to a POS/safe. Suddenly a recon uncloaks or warps in (testimonials claim they just APPEAR OUT OF NOWHERE, which brings attention to further exploiting) and tackles their ratting ship and there is nothing they can do against 2 recons and a Mach.
So, there is testimonial evidence by dozens of REAL PEOPLE witness to these events. There are hundreds more KMs from bots who got caught. There is UNDENIABLE proof of this exploit. There is a guy with KB stats where he has impossible feats of hunting nullsec ratters, both real people and macros (lets not be naive most of his victims were bots). There is evidence of vulnerabilities that could allow hackers to warp to cloaked people, to fake info packets between client and servers. There is recorded evidence of PL people attempting to obfuscate the truth.
In any real world court of law all this evidence would land all these people in jail. There is no doubt monkey and accomplices have been exploiting the game for a long time. Since most of his victims were also exploiters (macroers) it took this long for attention and evidence to be gathered.
CCP already has all it needs to fix the vulnerabilities and ban to hell all the exploiters involved. I hope they find a way to also catch all macroers and ban all their accounts too.
Burn Everything!
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Neo Gabriel
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.24 02:38:00 -
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I think it very amusing to see all these Pathetic Legion of Cheaters and their alts trying to troll and obfuscate the truth.
You will not turn back time.
What has been said cannot be unsaid.
You can have any opinion you want, but facts are facts, they speak for themselves.
After all this is over, PL of cheaters (the ones who don't get banned) will have to spend the rest of their eve careers with their reputation tarnished by the doing of a couple dozen people.
So go ahead, keep up your pathetic attempts to hide the truth. We all know who you really are.
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Neo Gabriel
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.24 06:29:00 -
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I can't wait for the BANHAMMER to fall so I can start collecting all these tears. They will be delicious tears.
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Neo Gabriel
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.24 07:22:00 -
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Its because in WH space, everyone knows you only show in local if talk in local.
People are mad at this because everyone knows you show up in local in k-space, or so we thought.
Imagine, someone discovered an exploit where they could see everyone in WH space who is online, and someone finds out. Imagine all the tears of the gankers and the wh citizens.
Or worse, imagine an exploit where you can warp to anyone in system who is claoked, even when they are not in your fleet! Imagine the rage!
Now, imagine someone found an exploit where they can enter a local system and not show up in local! OMG, *****!
Its not the idea of having a delayed local or no local in nullspace that ****es people off, its the fact that someone has an unfair advantage that has been used to farm players and bots for 2 years and no one has done anything to stop it until now.
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Neo Gabriel
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.24 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: Neo Gabriel on 24/04/2010 21:41:20
CCP is gonna ban you all and say they found a way to check the logs.
I always thought the no logs thing is bull **** so they can cover themselves. They know when people lag out when loading grid they just say nothing shows on the logs to shut people up and not have to reimburse them.
It always shows on the logs. Maybe they don't have logs of packet delays or denials but they don't have to prove to us that "the logs don't show anything", they can just ban the cheaters and say they have evidence and they don't have to prove anything to anyone.
PS: I bet they are waiting to have the exploit fixed before the bans to prevent a counter attack.
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Neo Gabriel
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.24 22:31:00 -
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I am pretty sure that "open-ended" and "no right way to play" is not supposed to mean you can use hacks to cheat and take advantage over other people.
Neither does it mean, that you can write and use macros to abuse the game engine.
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Neo Gabriel
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.25 00:48:00 -
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You think there is a chance of resolution of this during the weekend? Does ccp even work during the weekend? I guess we gotta wait till Monday to maybe get the final score.
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Neo Gabriel
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.25 08:35:00 -
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I like Aja's idea.
Having a delayed local like in WH if you are in a 0.0 system where there isn't a sov module (maybe lvl3+?) or its not a pirate faction space makes sense.
This is done and suddenly 0.0 space is dangerous and fun again. Bots can happily macro in their sov systems, carebears can mine and run plexes in peace, and pirates can have fun. You can move large fleets undetected through nullsec to execute complex and effective strategies... CCP should consider this.
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Neo Gabriel
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.25 09:31:00 -
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Personally, I always thought that, if you had the proper skills trained, you could have a perma scanner with a limited range, so you could auto detect any SHIP or PROBE that gets within a 1-5 AU sphere (say, auto refreshes every 3-5 seconds) of your ship. I HATE having to spam the D-Scan button, it is a horrible idea.
Use skill limitations, make a requirement to not have the ship in warp, and only allow combat ships the capability to use this (so shuttles, pods, iterons, orcas, miners etc wont have it) so it restricts the amount of load on the server.
If things like these were available, people wouldn't have to use and depend on local as an intel source, and wouldn't have to develop carpool tunnel when looking for probes, etc.
I can see the incoming cheater trolls and their "but macros will use this super scanner and NOW it will be IMPOSSIBLE to catch them even if we use our monkey cheat" rants. It's ok, your opinions will be irrelevant after you get banned.
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